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Shendaar · Apr 23, 2008, 02:59 PM // 14:59

It certainly doesn't give you a 50% increase in DPS, but good Quarterstepping(or however you want to call it) can and does make a difference.

Div · Apr 23, 2008, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Well, I doubt a game ever has been won cuz of this tactic. (Or skill, whatever U wanna call it)

It's like a HP +29/+30 Mod. Sure it's better to get the +30 one, but it's not like chances are higher than .01% that a match ever will be determined by a kill with 1Hp overkill...

I myself tried it, I can do it if I pay attention to it, but unless it becomes a reflex, you loose too much time paying attention to it. Time which could have invested in killing something else, ...

I'm pretty sure there is some people who can do it as a "reflex" (Without even paying attention to it anymore), and it sure gives them an advantage, but it is so small. (Oh, you just got 0.5 inches closer to him, I doubt that's going to affect the game that much

)

That's exactly the bad player mentality on why weapon swapping isn't useful.

If you're saying that getting an extra hit in every few hits on a retreating target and not getting snared like a retard while hitting someone on frozen is insignificant, then I don't know what is.

The Meth · Apr 23, 2008, 05:44 PM // 17:44

Its a very useful tactic. I don't play warrior very often, but as a ranger in PvE I can evade other rangers bows at max range (recurve is hard, might only evade 50% of shots) while still getting off my normal fire rate. It adds up to saving quite a bit of health when things are smacking you for 60-100 damage hits.

Farin · Apr 23, 2008, 06:24 PM // 18:24

I don't find it to be hard at all but it takes a lot of practice to do it the entire game. I can pull it off for a couple minutes but I just forget to keep on doing it. It's a lot easier (and way more useless) to do on a paragon though.

Div · Apr 23, 2008, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by The Meth

Its a very useful tactic. I don't play warrior very often, but as a ranger in PvE I can evade other rangers bows at max range (recurve is hard, might only evade 50% of shots) while still getting off my normal fire rate. It adds up to saving quite a bit of health when things are smacking you for 60-100 damage hits.

Holy crap that is crazy micro dedication for PvE...

Tab · Apr 23, 2008, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Holy crap that is crazy micro dedication for PvE...

^. When I PvE, I redbar without weapon swapping or kiting.

arual · Apr 23, 2008, 07:08 PM // 19:08

So let me get this straight;

You KD a squishy target.
Siddle round to their other side in one or two attacks time using this fancy dance thereby blocking off their retreat.
Target attempts to kite but has to move around you granting said attacker an extra hit - and therefore possible KD, then just rinse & repeat as much as possible?

The Meth · Apr 23, 2008, 07:37 PM // 19:37

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Originally Posted by arual

So let me get this straight;
You KD a squishy target.
Siddle round to their other side in one or two attacks time using this fancy dance thereby blocking off their retreat.
Target attempts to kite but has to move around you granting said attacker an extra hit - and therefore possible KD, then just rinse & repeat as much as possible?

Thats one of the applications. Essentially you gain between half a second and a second of free movement time between attacks. It can be used in any time you are attacking, but the knockdown trick along with attacking while chasing a kiting enemy are the most widely recognized uses since the warrior vs caster battle is basically going on the whole game in PvP.

BTW, I don't do my bow trick unless enemies are actually hitting hard. Nowadays with heroes, every party I have has enfeebling blood so I don't care all that much about small 10-15 damage hits. Its only really used to show off after my party does something stupid and dies and I solo lots of stuff

l Teh Mighty Warrior l · Apr 24, 2008, 01:03 AM // 01:03

As farin says it's actually really easy to do, but doing it every single swing of every single match every single day is whats hard about it. You're usually just too lazy unless its an important game.

RhanoctJocosa · Apr 24, 2008, 06:55 AM // 06:55

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Originally Posted by Farin

It's a lot easier (and way more useless) to do on a paragon though.

that's so true lol

Genova · Apr 25, 2008, 07:09 PM // 19:09

A lot have been said for hitting a single target. However I find this technique to be deadly not because of the "theorical" added DPS, but because of the improved target switching which draws a lot more prots than the standard C-Spacing.

Since you are actively positioning yourself, it's easier to get near your next target. Say for example, there is a mesmer in front of you and a monk on the left. You hit the mesmer, then quatterstep to the left ready to switch to the monk as soon as guardian lands, etc...

The little time you save creates time pressure, which may lead to increased energy consumption or mistakes as the monks aren't able to keep up with your speed. It's harder to follow a warrior who faces the guy he wants to bash at the very last moment.

This principle of hitting other targets before reaching the intended one has other advantages :
- you don't give away your spike as easily
- you hit longer while frenzying, which leads to more adrenaline and more damage
- you land more bulls since they don't see you coming for them and often start panicking

TLDR version : This technique basically means that you actively lessen the distance between your opponents, and we know how dangerous a warrior is when everyone is balled up.

Symbol · Apr 25, 2008, 09:23 PM // 21:23

Yeah, do people actually do this for every attack? I thought it was mostly to get a better chance of landing bull's by forcing people to kite around you, or to chase down a kiting target without a speed boost.

moriz · Apr 25, 2008, 09:47 PM // 21:47

i've seen a video of chiizu playing gvg from his PoV, and he used it constantly. the overall effect is like he's got a permanent 15% speedboost at all times. it's quite amazing to see.

Symbol · Apr 26, 2008, 01:58 AM // 01:58

Ok, so correct me if I'm wrong, but the game will already automatically move you towards your target during the "afterswing", so you only get a benefit from quarterstepping all the time if you can accurately predict where your target is going to kite to.

If you play warrior for a while you get a sense for this, but still, it doesn't seem trivial to do at all.

Seraphim of Chaos · Apr 26, 2008, 03:56 AM // 03:56

This is more effective in arenas than anywhere else. A bull's->quartered shock->quartered disrupting chop is really devastating, esp. to a single monk. Even if you don't get the kill, you d chop SB or RoF and the monk wastes energy
and a opening to d shot WoH occurs.

Toxage · May 10, 2008, 01:31 AM // 01:31

Can anyone tell me how to do this?

I tried using my WASD to move while attacking, but it stops attacking.

I tried attacking and use the mouse click to move but that breaks it as well....

moriz · May 10, 2008, 01:52 PM // 13:52

you have to move when your character swings the weapon past a certain point. usually that's just before the weapon hits the target. at that time, your character can freely move without disrupting the rest of the attack animation.

the same breakpoint is seen on attack skills. before reaching this point, your attack skill will interrupt your normal attacks. if you hit the skill after this point, you will finish your current autoattack, and then use the skill.

m is for mikey · May 13, 2008, 05:12 AM // 05:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killed u man

Well, I doubt a game ever has been won cuz of this tactic. (Or skill, whatever U wanna call it)

It's like a HP +29/+30 Mod. Sure it's better to get the +30 one, but it's not like chances are higher than .01% that a match ever will be determined by a kill with 1Hp overkill...

I myself tried it, I can do it if I pay attention to it, but unless it becomes a reflex, you loose too much time paying attention to it. Time which could have invested in killing something else, ...

I'm pretty sure there is some people who can do it as a "reflex" (Without even paying attention to it anymore), and it sure gives them an advantage, but it is so small. (Oh, you just got 0.5 inches closer to him, I doubt that's going to affect the game that much

)

people really do waste alot of time with technical things not juds n gw but many games such as HALO, but tbh i dont think ranting forums upon forums bout 1 dudes keyboard techs changes much of anything, every1 has a playstyle; so y waste soo much time focusing on 1 thing, when the pic is much bigger

yum · May 13, 2008, 07:54 AM // 07:54

Can some teach me how to 1/4 stepping while executing:

BackBreaker, Crushing, steelfang, S&M then Backbreaker again(1/4 knocking of coz) >.<

moriz · May 13, 2008, 01:47 PM // 13:47

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Originally Posted by m is for mikey

people really do waste alot of time with technical things not juds n gw but many games such as HALO, but tbh i dont think ranting forums upon forums bout 1 dudes keyboard techs changes much of anything, every1 has a playstyle; so y waste soo much time focusing on 1 thing, when the pic is much bigger

the big picture is built upon the little things. if you let the little things slide, the big picture collapses.

of course, if being mediocre is your goal, then your philosophy works.